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Thomas Day's avatar

My career was as an electronics engineer, but I always kept my hand in motorcycling, music, and writing (mostly articles for a variety of magazines and some tech writing for industry). I spent the last 13 years of my career, self-employed, as a writer, both for motorcycle and music magazines, a freelance engineer doing recording studio maintenance and engineering, and a teacher for a music college. Now that I'm retired, several of those things have occupied my time and interest and have kept me from becoming bored or feeling useless.

David Epstein's avatar

That's fantastic, Thomas, and you reminded me of a study I read for Range about why some expert performers (say, a violin soloist in an orchestra), were both better able to transition to different roles (like moving to the business side of the orchestra) and more content later in life. Basically, they kept toes dipped in other activities along the way. As the study author put it, they "traveled an eight-lane highway" of life rather than a one-way street.

Thomas Day's avatar

I did at least 5-6 lanes, for sure. A few months ago, a musician friend told me that he "never had a Plan B" except a life as a professional musician. I never had *just* a Plan B, either. If I didn't have A through at least M I was definitely working on filling those gaps. I have been poor and I have been upper middle class and back again and we've lived through at least five recessions, more than a dozen moves for economic reasons, and I doubt that I will ever feel secure.

But, as John Mayer sang in "Walt Grace's Submarine Test, January 1967," "with a will to work hard and a library card," I will keep finding things to do until I can't any longer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQQ8tkkJRT0

Richard Potter's avatar

My professional career was in higher ed fundraising and corporate relations. But when I was in high school I wanted to be a rockstar. I played guitar in garage bands in the 70s, almost majored in music in college, but settled on a marketing degree because I didn't want to teach and was afraid to go pro.

After college I struggled to find my career path, and to make friends. So I auditioned for a community theater production, acted and played guitar in the pit in multiple productions over the next several years, and met my wife when we were both cast in The Mousetrap. We've been married over 35 years now.

Throughout my professional life I've always made time to cultivate my inner artist outside of the 9 to 5. Three years ago I reunited with high school band mates to play for our 45th reunion. It was so much fun we were invited to play the following year for the class behind us. Last year we made it a fundraiser and collected over $13k to support music excellence grants in the community school district. And we're on track for a repeat performance this summer.

Our core values are: 1) have fun, and 2) don't suck. It's working out pretty well so far. 🤘

David Epstein's avatar

Haha, wow, what a great story! And I love those simple but powerful core values. You made me think a bit about a discussion I was part of recently where someone mentioned the loss of a "third space" in a lot of peoples' lives. The first and second spaces being home and work, and a third space being somewhere else where you do something and meet other people. (And that discussion brought me back to Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone.) It does seem to me like a big loss, for individuals and society, if we're losing those third spaces, and seems like we might missing out on some marriages too! ...This is such a heartwarming comment, Richard, really appreciate you sharing.

Antonio Iturra's avatar

I first heard of that concept from Jenny Odell in her book 'How to Do Nothing'. Since then, I've become fascinated with the idea of the third space, and also in an age of infoxication it has become a necessary point to be reflecting on.

Technology is pulling us from all sides, to some of us, at work, also when we doom scroll our phone, even our conversations. Where do we draw a line? And the idea of the third space, in a way, is a call to action to rebel against the status quo. To have a space where we say no to all of this, and connect to something else: ourselves, a community, our family, etc. It's not transforming ourselves into a hermit, but choosing what to subtract (Leidy Klotz's wonderful concept!), in order to connect further.

nc's avatar

I exercise to stay sane(ish) and stave off decrepitude, read middlebrow fiction to unwind, make music as a family activity, wander in the forest because it is there. But my all-consuming "hobby" is my allotment garden, and I am so bad at it that I laughed at the idea of building self-efficacy thereby. Still, it connects me to my community, consistently gets me to a state of flow, and is possibly the most productive "work" time for my research job, because ideas and solutions come freely when my hands are in the dirt.

David Epstein's avatar

Middlebrow fiction is an underrated way to unwind. I mentioned this in one other comment, but it reminds me of Maya Angelou saying that she would toggle between her "big mind" (writing) and "little mind" (something else, often crossword puzzles for her). It is interesting that a hobby, which basically by definition is (at least at first) something that isn't your main competence, would improve self-efficacy, but it sounds at least like it does have some role in you feeling like you'll reach solutions to hard problems.

Delia Lloyd's avatar

Improv. Film. Reading. And weirdly: Watching award shows. I think we all need a high brow/low brow combination...

David Epstein's avatar

Ha, I like it. You reminded me of how Maya Angelou would say that she needed to toggle between her "big mind" and "little mind"

PISAREV ALEXSEJ's avatar

I like to sleep.

David Epstein's avatar

SLEEP IS OVERRA-- ....wait, no, sleep is either appropriately rated or underrated.

G. Retriever's avatar

Your hobby also has a way of becoming your next career.

David Epstein's avatar

Indeed. In part that happened to me!

Jenn's avatar

You don’t have to be an Olympic athlete to benefit from knitting.

David Epstein's avatar

Haha...that's basically the entire post in succinct and eloquent fashion, or perhaps actually the secret to life;)

Melanie's avatar

This was really encouraging. I'm (for pay) a communications consultant for a large company, and my "hobby" has been writing novels. That however is on the (slow) train to being the profession (🤞)... My family harasses my younger son and I about how we are hobby collectors. He's an auto mechanic/diagnostician who reads, gardens, cooks, lifts weights-- and listens to sports while he does most of those, when he's not taking care of children!

Hobbies for me are: weight lifting, knitting, reading -- fiction, non-fiction (all brows) -- and going to movies. And long meandering walks with my dog and no earbuds. This is where all the thoughts float around and gel together.

I will also say this-- I'm 55 and my son has been on my case for about ten years to stop worrying about being thin and start lifting weights. I've been consistent for the past 5 years. Unrelated to the lifting, last fall I needed a serious meniscus repair in my knee. My physical therapist said I crutched into PT well ahead of the recovery schedule already. My surgeon said he never had anyone recover so fast from that surgery. In January I learned I needed a fusion in my cervical spine-- done on Valentine's Day just as I was getting discharged from PT for my knee. Again, the weight lifting "hobby" has made all the difference, though I won't be back to it for several months.

And with 4-6 weeks off work for this one, I'm able to fill the days with writing, reading... Spring baseball games ... And lots and lots of walks.

David Epstein's avatar

Melanie, obviously I only have this tiny bit of information you just shared about your life, but sounds like a life well lived from my vantage point! And I am one fafillion percent on board with your son's advice to save the energy worry about thinness and hit the weights — literally no matter one's age or experience. I'm sorry to hear you're dealing with some injuries, but thrilled that you'd doing so well with it thanks to your hobby;) ...As far as fiction, I'm almost done with a new book, and after each of the previous two I just go my local independent book store and pick up a gigantic work of fiction (or two), and then read that since I'm so overdosed on nonfiction. Last time around this led me to read War and Peace and 2666, both of which blew my mind. So I'm taking suggestions for doorstoppers if you have any!

Suw Charman-Anderson's avatar

If you want a hefty book that will blow your mind, I can recommend Gnomon by Nick Harkaway. It's spectacular. Twisted my brain into a pretzel reading it, in the best possible way.

David Epstein's avatar

Ha, you had me at "twisted my brain into a pretzel"

Ekaete Utip Udo's avatar

"And long meandering walks with my dog and no earbuds". Very good, listening to nature as well as walking in it.

I wish you a speedy recovery.

Sunwoo Kim's avatar

I've always loved to do jigsaw puzzle. I kind of forgot about it but recently found a puzzle exchange program at the local library. Now I do about one 1000-piece puzzle every week. I don't know if it is helping me with my career, but it sure is fun.

David Epstein's avatar

That's a lot of weekly puzzle! I'm impressed...and that's really cool that it popped up through your local library. It's a reminder that there are some many things out there that would be fun, or fulfilling, or relaxing, or stimulating, etc. etc. to try. And career advancement aside, I think fun for its own sake is a beautiful and important thing. Not everything has to be instrumental!

Heather Piper's avatar

Fascinating piece. Purely anecdotal comment from a nonprofessional athlete who devoted a lot of time to pickleball, to the exclusion of my other hobbies - here goes. My performance and mindset improved on the court when I stepped back and found more balance in my life. Something about not gripping so tightly freed me to play I had been hoping to.

David Epstein's avatar

Thanks so much for this, Heather. And this isn't an uncommon story. One psychology writer I like talks about our "identity house," and having multiple rooms you can move through that keep you fresh, and not holding so tightly to just that one room. I was recently watching an interview with Jessica Hull, an Australian pro runner who set a world record in the 2,000-meters, and she credited moving home and having more an off-track life with her sudden improvement.

Heather Piper's avatar

Oh, the identity house is rich. It was actually an injury that forced me into a “recovery room” of my house. When I got injured, someone told me it was a gift. I didn’t believe them at the time but it was. Thanks for sharing the insights.

Nuclear Badger's avatar

One of my hobbies is interacting with my favorite authors...

David Epstein's avatar

I still have the birthday list in a prominent place in my office;)

UBHEYI's avatar

Curious about the hobbies you've now picked up? I would say mine are writing & drawing but the held perception that these are my godly talents to be explored to the T creates a little friction

David Epstein's avatar

I read a lot of fiction, and do a bit of collecting of rare books, and definitely running. Although more recent hobbies I've picked up are dancing (shuffle), and a little bit of beginner violin — learning with my son. With this last one I have absolutely none of the ambition about getting good as I do with other things, so it's a nice change of pace in that way.

UBHEYI's avatar

That sounds so refreshing! 😍Come to think of it, I remember the relaxing sensation of running eyes through mouthwatering words! Which books are you particularly excited about in your archive and have any you're hellbent on acquiring right now?

I'm sure it's super refreshing learning with him✨ was the pace of the violin also a factor in choosing that instrument particularly?

Thanks for your perspective - it's crystalized some options😊do have a whale of a time :)

David Epstein's avatar

Well, I recently got an early Ulysses... definitely not a first printing (an 8th printing, 1926), and early enough to be the original publisher (Shakespeare and Co., founded by Sylvia Beach in Paris, who said Americans were coming to Paris because they couldn't get alcohol or Ulysses in the States). It has the original blue wraps that Joyce intended to be the color of the Greek flag, but it didn't exactly work out. ...In much less fancy, but, to me, equally cool territory, I just got a copy of Atlas, by Jorge Luis Borges and his wife Maria Kodama, and it's just like a bit of a scrapbook of some travels and observations. I love Borges, and had never seen it before. As to what I'd like to acquire: I spent a bunch of time researching Virginia Woolf last year, and I'd love a copy of anything originally from the press that she and her husband founded largely to publish her work. Lastly, as to violin: completely my son's choice! I tried to turn him on to piano or guitar, since we had those more easily available, but he said violin sounds the best, so that was that, and then I started learning with him.

UBHEYI's avatar

Great read - the psychologist's interview couldn't have come at a better time!

David Epstein's avatar

Sorry I'm slow, but I'm so glad to hear that!

Beeso's avatar

I am a demon for hobbies or little projects. I’ve dabbled in photography, aquaponics, cheesemaking, tie dye, I really enjoy learning a new skill. As a coach, I like to set my players the task of learning a new non touch football (my sport) skill. Card trick, juggling, handstands, anything that is outside their core experience.

David Epstein's avatar

"demon for hobbies"... I love it. That should be on a business card, maybe in the small print;) You reminded me of when some time with a physiologist for Cirque du Soleil, and he was telling me how they started having performers learn the basics of several other performers' skills. Subjectively, he thought it improved their creativity when designing acts. Objectively, it lowered their injury rates by about a third! (I also have a video somewhere of the Chinese diving team doing juggling, handstands, and a bunch of interesting hybrid activities like cup stacking while doing planks. But I guess that last one is a core experience. (Sorry, couldn't resist the pun.)

Beeso's avatar

I hadn’t even thought about my own physical sports, which I forget isn’t my paid job sometimes. I just went from barely being able to swim 25m to a 2km open water swim in 2 years. And doing CrossFit is just one long learning of new skills. Demon for hobbies will have to go under one my other favourite sayings ‘I know a guy’

Mark Canada, Ph.D.'s avatar

Our greatest Americans (in my opinion) had many hobbies. Benjamin Franklin made a living as a printer, but, over the course of his life, he also studied electricity and other scientific subjects, wrote an autobiography, and other works, served as a diplomat, played chess, and more. He was even a master swimmer (earning a spot in the International Swimming Hall of Fame). Talk about ranging widely!

https://open.substack.com/pub/mindinclined/p/believe-with-ben?r=44ohic&utm_medium=ios

David Epstein's avatar

Wait what?!? I had no idea about his swimming prowess! I did know, though, about the Junto, which is in your extremely excellent post. Seems like the guy was practically range personified! Do you by any chance have a biography of Franklin to recommend?

Mark Canada, Ph.D.'s avatar

Thanks, David. Well, as a matter of fact, I do have a recommendation—three, in fact! I highly recommend his own autobiography, which is highly engaging and often funny. (The first few pages are pretty dry, but then he discusses his youth, mistakes, and adventures. Part 2 is also very interesting because he discusses his “bold and arduous Project of arriving at moral Perfection.” I also recommend the biography by H. W. Brands (The First American). Finally, I have to put in a plug for my own Ben Franklin’s Lessons in Life from Audible. I read your book Range when I was writing it, and I cite your work in Lesson 6 of the book. Yes, Franklin is an exemplar of range. It would be fun to discuss him at some point. You can reach me at mark.canada@mindinclined.org.

Chris Cloutier's avatar

Love this and will share with my wife next time I get a complaint about too much pickleball! I have my best work thoughts when I move them to the back-burner and am doing something else (now, retaining them can be a different story for my ADHD brain). My hobbies/past-times - exercise, live music, reading - are those times. Life would be incomplete without them.

David Epstein's avatar

And pickleball is aerobic and mobility training in one which is huge! ...I just sent a friend an email about something I'd been trying to remember for weeks, and then of course I forgot about it, went running, and it popped right into my mind.